tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3024183850683212413.post4020227573754033880..comments2023-10-24T08:09:17.678-04:00Comments on The Eternal Waaagh: Escalation, Stronghold, Formations, and thoughts on them.birduxhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02411291132951494801noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3024183850683212413.post-451352520848822162014-01-11T15:19:32.052-05:002014-01-11T15:19:32.052-05:00So official Warhammer world events are now going t...So official Warhammer world events are now going to be allowing everything including FW. Does that change anything for events you have planned? Again, no trolling.The Prodigal Playerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04087842665031443363noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3024183850683212413.post-76782112414047491252014-01-07T11:37:52.409-05:002014-01-07T11:37:52.409-05:00Thank ye Tim, i'll correct my spelling for ETC...Thank ye Tim, i'll correct my spelling for ETC in the future.<br /><br />I don't know about a candidate for the rage, but I was getting very annoyed with all of the posts I kept seeing thoughtless promoting these expansions.<br /><br />As far as obligations TO's have. I guess my point of view on how events should be run is different. I have made choices not to return to events before after seeing how poorely they've been run, of course (The Conflict for example). I've also attended very well run events that are a blast and I make it a point to return to (11th company).<br />So of course, there are free-market choices, no one is saying anything otherwise. Just like someone who demands forgeworld won't show up to a no-forgeworld event, and vice versa. I'm not at all suggesting catering to a minority of people who are not interested in attending.<br /><br />My point is this, I've been running events for a while now, when people show up to my events and are willing to fork over cash, I personally feel obliged to them as my "customers" (even though i'm obviously not making a single penny, and usually losing money) to give them the best event I can. This means the rules of the event are clearly defined ahead of the event, expectations on rulings or FAQ's are laid out and consistent, and units in play are known. I'm not suggesting I go out and cater specific rules to some vocal minority, not in the slightest. <br /><br />So it really depends on what you think people are purchasing when they plop down money to play 40k. Are they buying the right to play with new people? Are they purchasing a rules judge to help their disputes? Are the paying money in the hopes of winning some glory? Maybe they are purchasing the "event" itself and the competitive rule-set its using in order to lock into that specific meta/ruleset/environment? Or maybe they are paying because they just want to support the hobby with their attendance.<br /><br />It's really hard to say. I would tend to argue that given people could just as easily play with a group of friends in their basement or at a game store with whatever rules or models they want to, they must be purchasing the ruleset/environment of the event. The tone and character of which is set by the TO. Thus, if the TO feels obliged to run a good event, with fair rules, most likely you'll get a good event and people will return to it. TO's who expect return customers, have an obligation to provide a good environment. Otherwise there will be no return customers..birduxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02411291132951494801noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3024183850683212413.post-68896964844446184482014-01-07T11:03:32.922-05:002014-01-07T11:03:32.922-05:00"...there is an obligation, as a TO, when tak..."...there is an obligation, as a TO, when taking someone elses money, to ensure they get the best time you can give them..."<br /><br />I'm sorry, but I disagree with this statement, James. The theory behind free-market economics is that the consumer can choose to buy, or not buy, whatever they wish dependant on the virtues of the product. The TO is under no "obligation" to provide a good tournament. If they provide a bad tournament (or even a mediocre one), people won't buy tickets and won't attend, so it is in their best interest to provide a good tournament. This does not equal an obligation.<br /><br />This is important in terms of tailoring a tournament to the needs of the likely buyers. If there are people that will simply never go to tournaments, why should the TO be beholden to an "obligation" to make sure they have a good time. I went to BFS in the first year and I had a terrible time, so I have never gone back. I don't hold any judgement against the TOs. They didn't fail in their "obligation". It just wasn't for me. They seem to be doing fine without me, which is great for them.<br /><br />My $0.02.Lost Cateranhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12184783857223398865noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3024183850683212413.post-48652067573698901752014-01-07T10:39:40.836-05:002014-01-07T10:39:40.836-05:00I think we found a new candidate for the "rag...I think we found a new candidate for the "rage" :)<br /><br />Less coffee James. Death Salvohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17077221860357854308noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3024183850683212413.post-56962933190369324832014-01-07T07:56:08.921-05:002014-01-07T07:56:08.921-05:00"Why not make it the size of a land raider, a..."Why not make it the size of a land raider, and then have yourself a 12 inch bubble o' awesome"<br /><br />Land Raider? Pleeez that bitch is as big as a Baneblade.Hudsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09254648458761984561noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3024183850683212413.post-70895745322800430872014-01-06T22:29:35.616-05:002014-01-06T22:29:35.616-05:00Hey james, spelling police here. It's "et...Hey james, spelling police here. It's "etc" for et cetera not "ect." I learned that in public school but never got a sticker for anything. :PTimhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11680110160882762433noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3024183850683212413.post-25917116357641030782014-01-06T16:57:15.239-05:002014-01-06T16:57:15.239-05:00Thanks for your response.Thanks for your response.The Prodigal Playerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04087842665031443363noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3024183850683212413.post-75082728025468366572014-01-06T16:22:14.904-05:002014-01-06T16:22:14.904-05:00I am on the east coast. Verfy few Gt's here us...I am on the east coast. Verfy few Gt's here use forgeworld. I don't know where you are situated, but it's normal for their not to be forgeworld.<br /><br />I actually do run monthly RTT's and events for the NOVA, so its not a hypothetical on exploring ideas as far as forgeworld goes. I have flat out banned forgeworld from my RTT events, with a qualifier, that you can come to me and make a case for allowing specific forgeworld units. I will make a review of that unit, and the player can provide the rule on the spot to their opponent, and if it's not something crazy/unexpected outside the normal GW 40k game., there is a slight chance I will allow it.<br /><br /> In general, if the units behave in such a way that it would be within the realm of expectations for the specific army type the models originate from /and/or/ game play to occur, then they should be o.k.<br /><br /> It runs into substantial balance issues though when people pull in forgeworld models that do things well outside the norm.<br /><br />I'm all for you playing forgeworld models outside of events, or in events when everyone knows they'll be facing forge world using players. As a TO, you basically have to run it all- or nothing. There isn't really a good inbetween. players attending your event need to have their expectations of what they could be potentially facing known ahead of time. Otherwise you end up with pissed off players who do not come back. <br /><br />Unfortunately, a few rotten apples do spoil the barrel. There are quite a few forgeworld models, and rules, that can be very abusive. So if i allow it, now i need to start coming up with ban-lists for those specific models. It just creates a huge wall of complications for me, and for players. Additionally, i have to spend a ton of time research and learning the rules for a wide variety of models well beyond the GW normal, which is alerady substantial, learn their various FAQ's, and play rules... ect. It becomes a huge headache, as if normal 40k wasn't bad enough. <br /><br />It's far easier to let people approach me, get a yay or nay, then play from there. <br /><br />I always of course, let people use any models, as a counts as.birduxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02411291132951494801noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3024183850683212413.post-14894135010382204532014-01-06T15:57:59.671-05:002014-01-06T15:57:59.671-05:00Wasn't trolling. I get the concerns about som...Wasn't trolling. I get the concerns about some FW stuff, but the Badab tactics and characters are just rules and dudes, nothing special. When I see blanket FW bans proposed it bums me put because there's plenty of stuff like that which would be fine for a tourney but often that fact takes the back seat to the few tough nuts people want banned. Since you mentioned a blanket FW ban as one of several comp options you'd explore as an organizer I thought I'd pick your brain about that. The Prodigal Playerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04087842665031443363noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3024183850683212413.post-82608764692040090312014-01-06T15:50:51.065-05:002014-01-06T15:50:51.065-05:00I'm trying to figure out if your trying to tro...I'm trying to figure out if your trying to troll or genuinely interested. Especially considering I mentioned this discussion isn't really about forgeworld. So i'm guessing your just trying to troll.<br /><br />That said, I had to go look those things up as I have no idea what they were. They look like they are out of forgeworld IA9. I'd have to see the rules for them, and determine if they are crazy.<br /><br />If their rules deviate from one of the standard space marine codex's in any meaningful way, I'd say they weren't allowed, sorry. Play your raptors counts as a GW published codex.birduxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02411291132951494801noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3024183850683212413.post-68347020578253231142014-01-06T15:44:33.156-05:002014-01-06T15:44:33.156-05:00What if I want to run my Raptors and Lias Issodon ...What if I want to run my Raptors and Lias Issodon in a tourney? What are your thoughts there? Are those chapter tactics and character too broken? Just curious where stuff like that falls for you.The Prodigal Playerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04087842665031443363noreply@blogger.com